2026-10-11 16:37 UTC

Tabith claims Venya's released alpha lets agents execute infrastructure commands through human-authorized sandbox sessions without exposing stored credentials to model context, potentially enabling privileged automation without directly handing secrets to agents.

state: seedheat: mediumuncertainty: mediumknownscott: lowagentic-security secret-management agent-harnessesTabith

What is this?

Per the case, Venya (by Tabith) has released an alpha of a tool that lets AI agents run infrastructure commands inside human-authorized sandbox sessions where credentials are injected by the executor rather than placed in model context β€” paired with output filtering, egress restriction, and FIDO2-authorized sessions. The supplied web snippets contain no direct coverage of Venya or Tabith, so those specific claims can't be independently confirmed from this material. What the snippets do establish is that 'agents act on secrets without seeing them' is a crowded, fast-moving category in 2026: Infisical's Agent Vault/Agent Proxy, 1Password's zero-exposure Claude integration with biometric approval, Tencent Cloud's Key Sandbox, and MCP-based secret brokering all ship the same core architecture (credential injection at the execution boundary, scoped/short-lived access, redaction before model context).

Why it matters to Scott

Venya re-implements, almost point for point, the architecture Scott's own wiki already codifies β€” proxy-mediated tokenisation and capability/scope separation in SiloOS, credentials hydrated only at the execution boundary β€” and the radar already tracks this exact development in multiple open cases: 1Password's zero-exposure Claude integration with biometric approval (radar:onepassword-claude-secret-injection), Forkbench's credential broker (radar:forkbench-agent-credential-broker), and Jitpass. Even the distinctive-seeming element, FIDO2-gated sessions, lands on ground the radar already covers via the 1Password case and the hardware-key/authentication concept pages. No new position from a consequential party and nothing that would change what Scott builds or argues β€” it's another small entrant in a crowded, already-tracked category, the world agreeing with SiloOS again.
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queries asked of Scott's wikis
  • agent harness sandboxed tool execution human-in-the-loop approval
  • secrets management for coding agents credential injection model context
  • MCP tooling secrets redaction output filtering
  • prompt injection exfiltration agent security posture notes
  • FIDO2 / hardware-key gated automation infrastructure
  • open source agent runtime local executor projects

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How the heat travelled

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Open article Β· Retrieved 2026-09-23T14:27:59.752867+00:00

# Venya

> **AI agents:** if you are an LLM agent that retrieved this README, start at **[docs/agents.md](https://github.com/tabith-llc/venya/blob/main/docs/agents.md)** β€” how to wire up, operate safely, and what never to attempt. Humans: that file is the brief your agent should be handed.

### AI agents manage infrastructure securely.

Venya is the first platform that lets AI agents execute commands on remote infrastructure using stored credentials **without ever seeing those credentials**. The LLM discovers what secrets exist, constructs the command, and the executor injects the credential into a sandboxed environment. Output is filtered. Every action is audited. A human authorized the session with a physical security key.

**This doesn't exist anywhere else.** Traditional secrets managers (HashiCorp Vault, CyberArk, cloud-native stores) store credentials β€” but they hand the plaintext to whatever process requests it. If you give an AI agent a Vault token, the agent can read every secret in plain text. Venya's zero-knowledge injection model means the agent never sees, handles, or can leak the credential value. It sees the result of the command β€” and nothing more.

---

## Host Trust Model

Venya's components carry deliberately different trust postures:

- **The core server is the trust anchor β€” give it its own protected host.**
  Firewalled, minimally exposed, reachable only by its executors (mTLS) and
  administrators. It holds the CA keys, the encrypted secret store, and the
  audit log.
- **Executor hosts are treated as compromised by design.** Agents run arbitrary
  commands on them, so Venya assumes an attacker may own the machine: secrets
  are injected only inside sandboxed microVMs, egress is deny-by-default,
  output is filtered, and executor identity is mTLS-bound and revocable. An
  executor breach must never become a core breach.

**Never install core and executor on the same machine.** Co-location merges the
trust anchor into the assume-compromised zone and voids the isolation above β€”
both services would run as the same OS user, letting a compromised executor
reach the core's key material. On a single physical machine, run the core and
each executor as separate virtual machines.

---

## The Problem

Infrastructure teams are adopting AI agents (Claude Code, Cursor, autonomous coding assistants) to manage servers, deploy applications, and troubleshoot incidents. But these agents need credentials to do their work β€” SSH keys, API tokens, database passwords.

Today, teams solve this in one of three ways:

| Approach | What Happens | The Problem |
| --- | --- | --- |
| **Give the agent a Vault token** | Agent reads secrets in plaintext | Agent can exfiltrate every secret it can read. Full credential exposure. |
| **Embed credentials in prompts** | User pastes passwords into the chat | Credentials land in chat logs, model training data, and session histories. Catastrophic. |
| **Don't let AI touch infra** | Manual execution only | Defeats the purpose. Teams lose the velocity AI promises. |

Every approach either exposes credentials or blocks AI adoption. Venya is the fourth option.

---

## How Venya Works

```
Human: "Install apache2 on web-server-3"
          β”‚
          β–Ό
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β”‚   AI Agent       │────▢│  Venya Server     │────▢│  Executor Daemon   β”‚
β”‚  (Claude Code)   β”‚     β”‚                   β”‚     β”‚ (on executor host) β”‚
β”‚                  β”‚     β”‚  1. Wraps secret  β”‚     β”‚                    β”‚
β”‚  Never sees      β”‚     β”‚     with sentinel β”‚     β”‚  2. Unwraps in     β”‚
β”‚  the password    β”‚     β”‚     markers       β”‚     β”‚     sandbox        β”‚
β”‚                  β”‚     β”‚                   β”‚     β”‚                    β”‚
β”‚  Sees: exit code │◀────│  3. Relays via    │◀────│  4. Filters output β”‚
β”‚  + filtered      β”‚     β”‚     mTLS          β”‚     β”‚     (Rust filter)  β”‚
β”‚  output          β”‚     β”‚                   β”‚     β”‚                    β”‚
β””β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”˜     β””β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”˜     β””β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”˜
```

1. **The human asks the AI to do something** β€” e.g., "Install apache2 on web-server-3"
2. **The AI discovers available resources** β€” calls Venya's MCP tools to list executors and secrets (metadata only, never values)
3. **The AI constructs the command** β€” e.g., `ssh bot@web-server-3 sudo apt install -y apache2`
4. **Venya handles the rest:**
   - Server decrypts the secret and wraps it with cryptographic sentinel markers
   - Server relays the command + wrapped secret to the executor over mutual TLS
   - Executor unwraps the secret inside an isolated sbx microVM and injects it into the command
   - A Rust-based output filter scans stdout/stderr for any leaked secret values and replaces them with `[REDACTED]` markers before the AI ever sees it
5. **The AI reads the filtered output** β€” it sees the command succeeded, sees the package installation logs, but never sees the password
6. **Every step is logged** β€” the audit trail records who authorized the session, what command ran, on which executor, and when

---

## Why Venya Is Different

### Zero-Knowledge Secret Injection

The AI agent never touches plaintext credentials. Not in its context window. Not in transit. Not in output. The secret is decrypted server-side, wrapped with sentinel markers, relayed over mTLS, and unwrapped only inside the executor's sandboxed process. The Rust filter ensures that even if a command accidentally echoes a credential in its output, it's replaced with `[REDACTED]` before the AI ever sees it.

**No other product does this.** Existing secrets managers hand plaintext to the requesting process. Venya doesn't.

### FIDO2 Hardware Key Binding

Every session begins with a physical security key press. The AI agent cannot initiate a session β€” only a human pressing a FIDO2 key can authorize access. Sessions expire after 4 hours. Token refresh happens automatically, and an idle-expired session renews within the 4-hour hard cap β€” the cap is non-negotiable: past it, a human must re-authenticate with the FIDO2 key. When the session is past the cap, the AI gets an actionable error: *"Ask the user to re-authenticate."*

### mTLS Between Server and Executor

The Venya server communicates with executor daemons over mutual TLS. Both sides verify each other's certificates. If an executor's certificate is revoked, the server refuses to relay commands. If someone spoofs an executor, the mTLS handshake fails before any secret is transmitted.

### Egress Control

Commands run inside an sbx microVM with deny-by-default networking. The executor reads an operator-defined allowlist (`/etc/venya/egress-allowlist.txt`) and only permits connections to approved destinations. If a compromised command tries to phone home to an attacker's server, the connection is blocked at the sandbox level. DNS is restricted to the operator's resolver.

### Complete Audit Trail

Every command execution is logged:

- **Who** authorized the session (FIDO2-enrolled user)
- **What** command was executed (full command string)
- **Where** it ran (executor ID)
- **When** it ran (timestamp)
- **What secrets** were injected (secret IDs, never values)

Both human operators (via `venya audit` CLI) and AI agents (via the `get_audit` MCP tool) can query the audit log. Non-admin users see only their own events.

### MCP Protocol Native

Venya speaks the Model Context Protocol β€” the open standard for connecting AI assistants to external tools. It works with Claude Code, Cursor, and any MCP-compatible client. No proprietary lock-in. No vendor-specific API.

---

## Security Guarantees

| Guarantee | How It's Enforced |
| --- | --- |
| AI never sees plaintext credentials | Server-side wrapping + executor-side unwrapping + Rust output filter |
| Sessions require human authorization | FIDO2 hardware key binding (WebAuthn) |
| Sessions are time-limited | 4-hour hard cap, 15-minute idle window, 5-minute access tokens |
| Executor identity is verified | Mutual TLS with certificate chain validation |
| Compromised executors are blocked | Revoked certs rejected at the executor's next revocation poll |
| Data exfiltration is prevented | sbx sandbox with deny-by-default egress allowlisting |
| Every action is traceable | Append-only audit log with user, executor, command, timestamp |
| Secrets are encrypted at rest | AES-256 with KEK-wrapped DEK (envelope encryption) |



---

## Who Is Venya For?

**Infrastructure teams who want to use AI without compromising security.**

If your team is:

- Using Claude Code, Cursor, or similar AI coding assistants
- Managing fleets of servers, databases, or cloud infrastructure
- Concerned about handing credentials to AI agents
- Operating in regulated environments where audit trails are mandatory
- Tired of the choice between "move fast with AI" and "stay secure"

Venya is the bridge.

---

## Getting Started

Venya is currently in **alpha** β€” early access for teams who want to shape the product.

### Quick Start (5-Minute Demo)

See Venya in action: **[Alpha Demo Guide](https://github.com/tabith-llc/venya/blob/main/docs/alpha-demo.md)**

### Full Installation

Artifacts (installers, tarballs, SHA-256 sidecars) are published on the **[Releases page](https://github.com/tabith-llc/venya/releases)**. Install one-liners (core/executor: Ubuntu 24.04 only; the Workstation CLI additionally runs on Debian 13, macOS, and Windows):

```
# Core server (root)
curl -fsSL https://github.com/tabith-llc/venya/releases/latest/download/install-venya-core.sh | sudo \
  VENYA_SKIP_PROMPT=yes VENYA_DB_PASSWORD=<strong-db-password> \
  VENYA_DB_PASSPHRASE=<server-encryption-passphrase> bash -s

# Executor (root; enrollment token from the core admin; a Docker account is REQUIRED β€” sbx pulls its agent
# template from Docker Hub. Piped installs need VENYA_DOCKER_USERNAME/VENYA_DOCKER_API_KEY, or download the
# script and run it interactively for hidden-prompt entry β€” the key is handled stdin-only, never argv/disk.
# See installation.md Β§3.)
curl -fsSL https://github.com/tabith-llc/venya/releases/latest/download/install-venya-executor.sh | sudo \
  VENYA_SKIP_PROMPT=yes VENYA_SERVER_URL=https://<core-host> VENYA_EXECUTOR_ID=<executor-id> \
  VENYA_EXECUTOR_ENROLLMENT_TOKEN=<token> bash -s

# Workstation CLI (non-root; Ubuntu 24.04, Debian 13, or macOS β€” verified on macOS 26.6.2 arm64 and Debian 13)
curl -fsSL https://github.com/tabith-llc/venya/releases/latest/download/install-venya-cli.sh | VENYA_SKIP_PROMPT=yes bash
```

```
# Workstation CLI (Windows) β€” machine-wide install, requires Administrator;
# standard users run the CLI afterward. Interactive desktop only (headless unsupported).
# Download install-venya-cli.ps1 from the Releases page, then run:
powershell -ExecutionPolicy Bypass -File install-venya-cli.ps1
```

Integrity: pin `VENYA_TARBALL_SHA256` (hashes on the release page) for strict verification; unset, the installer fetches the `.sha256` sidecar from the same origin as a corruption guardrail and fail-closes.

Core and executor must run on separate hosts (or separate VMs on one physical machine) β€” see [Host Trust Model](https://github.com/tabith-llc/venya#host-trust-model).

Workstation CLI config file: `~/.config/venya/config.json` on Linux, `~/Library/Application Support/venya/config.json` on macOS, `%APPDATA%\venya\config.json` on Windows. FIDO2 needs no extra setup on macOS (native IOKit HID transport, no root) or Windows (platform WebAuthn API β€” standard-user capable, interactive desktop required); on Linux the installer prints udev rules if `/dev/hidraw*` is not user-readable.

Production deployment guide: **[Installation Guide](https://github.com/tabith-llc/venya/blob/main/docs/installation.md)**

### Prerequisites

- Linux β€” Ubuntu 24.04 LTS (core/executor; tested target, installers assume it). Workstation CLI additionally supports Debian 13 and macOS (verified macOS 26.6.2 arm64)
- Windows β€” **Workstation CLI only** (core and executor are Linux)
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